111 E 23rd Street, New York, NY 10010 (map) Cooking Method: Griddled Short Order: Taste doesn't live up to the prices. Want Fries with That? Maybe; fresh cut fries are salty and mostly crispy. Would like them to be crispier. Prices: Cheeseburger, $4.74; french fries, $2.60; shake, $4.89
Fresh-N-Fast first popped up on our radar when they posted this Craigslist ad earlier this month. Grub Street followed up with a few photos and information about the In-N-Out clone, and the readers of Midtown Lunch reported its opening last Friday. I finally made it over today during my lunch break.
In my last review of a burger joint somewhat near Shake Shack, I couldn't help but leave with the impression, "I may as well have gone to Shake Shack." And that's the same thing here, except Fresh-N-Fast is only one avenue away from Madison Square Park. Still, here are some photos and commentary.
In addition to the double hyphenation and color scheme (not that In-N-Out has a monopoly on the red-and-yellow combination), Fresh-N-Fast's menu looks just like In-N-Out's menu—except In-N-Out is about half the price. I guess that's what we get for living in New York City.
The cheeseburger ($4.74) came on a lightly toasted potato bun, topped with lettuce, raw onion, tomato, pickles, and their special sauce. The woman at the counter said the patties were three ounces, but it felt heftier than that. Maybe it was just the height of the toppings.
First impression: something tasted off. The meat was mostly juicy and sort of greasy, but there was a flavor that I couldn't place and didn't find that appealing. My friend took a bite and said the funny flavor was fat. A funky off-fatty flavor. It's rare that I ever think too much fat is a bad thing, and I assume it contributed to the burger's juiciness, but that's pretty much the only flavor I remember. Funky fat. It didn't help that, despite being able to see char on the patty, it didn't translate texturally. The patty was mostly mushy. The toppings weren't as evenly distributed as they could've been, à la In-N-Out or Lucky's.
I liked the fresh cut french fries ($2.60), which were mostly crispy and well salted. I would've liked them even more if they were crispier.
The vanilla milkshake ($4.89) was fine—not too thick or thin, sweet, full of vanilla—but 24 ounces in one cup is definitely too much for one person, and too much for even two people. Fresh-N-Fast isn't the only place with bucket-sized shakes—I had this problem at Lucky's too—but I don't understand why these places offer such gargantuan-sized shakes that no single human can finish, unless that's actually what most people want. Maybe it is.
I tried the grilled cheese ($3.29) just out of curiosity (it's on In-N-Out's "secret" menu). Too much bun, not enough cheese. At least there were a few slices of tomato in it. I figure the grilled cheese is just for vegetarians, but if you're vegetarian you should just eat somewhere else.
Of course, since Fresh-N-Fast just opened, I figure they'll improve with time. It's better than chain fast food restaurants, but it's not a replacement for In-N-Out. For now, if I'm going to be paying Shake Shack prices (even if Shake Shack's shake provides less shake-per-dollar; their shakes are awesome), I'd rather go the extra avenue to Shake Shack.
Random note: Their receipt says their website is at freshandfast.com, but it's not working yet.
Anyone can copy In-N-Out's style, but copying their food is a different story altogether. I just wished we had both In-N-Out and Shake Shack here in L.A.
either way you look at it, this will NEVER be IN-N-OUT! BLASPHEMY i tell you! the IN-N-OUT Gods are looking down on fresh-n-fast and have vowed to strike down all who enter!!! ok a little dramatic but the food looks horrible! *tick 1 for in-n-out*
holy copyright infringement, batman!!! i'm guessing the in-n-out lawyers will be on this soon (if they aren't already). i think they got a cease and desist order on a similar copycat in Utah, i believe.... i guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but at least imitate the good taste as well as the branding, Fresh-N-Fast... lame.
In-N-Out has sued several clones, notably one in Utah and one in Ohio. However, the suits were successful because the clones actually used InO trademarked product names like "double double" and "animal style". I would actually wager than Fresh-n-Fast is likely going to be in the clear. You can't trademark "grilled cheese", "double chesseburger", a red and yellow color scheme, or non-frozen burger patties.
Yeah, they arent infringing on any copyright...'In and Out' and 'Fast and Fresh' are totally different. One must prove that customers could be confused, but you would have to be a moron.
Tony - you were naming a food product after another trademarked food product. That's pretty cut and dry. In-N-Out is in fact famously litigous to protect it's IP. I'm just not seeing actionable infringements by Fresh-N-Fast.
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22 Comments:
Did you ask if they also had a "secret menu"?
Adam Kuban at 5:28PM on 11/23/09
omg..i am happy i live in LA
FamishedFem at 5:31PM on 11/23/09
They even rip In-N-Out's font.
Eating The Road at 5:42PM on 11/23/09
....Countdown to a "cease and desist" letter for Fresh-N-Fast
Burger365 at 5:50PM on 11/23/09
MTE @Eating The Road!!
reubensandperrier at 5:57PM on 11/23/09
I'll take a Double-Double Animal Style, please.
MOMBUCHA at 5:58PM on 11/23/09
Anyone can copy In-N-Out's style, but copying their food is a different story altogether. I just wished we had both In-N-Out and Shake Shack here in L.A.
yamatosoul at 6:12PM on 11/23/09
wow in and out knock off at crazy prices. why didn't I think of that?
twoshoes at 8:22PM on 11/23/09
Has AHT ever reviewed In-N-Out? I'm curious to see what makes their food so special.
ratbuddy at 8:31PM on 11/23/09
$2.50 for a fountain drink? Cripes, what's the margin on that, 500%? It's like buying a bottle of wine in a restaurant.
FMFats at 12:31AM on 11/24/09
Closer to 1500%, FMFats.
ratbuddy at 9:40AM on 11/24/09
Damn NYC used to be cool in like 1980 or whatever but this shit is just pathetically sad.
avantsweater at 9:46AM on 11/24/09
i'm curious what kind of following in-n-out would have if their menu prices doubled. maybe in-n-out in new york would look like this...
foodinmouth at 9:59AM on 11/24/09
either way you look at it, this will NEVER be IN-N-OUT! BLASPHEMY i tell you! the IN-N-OUT Gods are looking down on fresh-n-fast and have vowed to strike down all who enter!!! ok a little dramatic but the food looks horrible! *tick 1 for in-n-out*
Lvn4life at 10:40AM on 11/24/09
They have some friggin balls to charge $2.49 for a Coke. Anyone who would pay that deserves to get a mushy burger.
ESNY1077 at 5:24PM on 11/24/09
holy copyright infringement, batman!!! i'm guessing the in-n-out lawyers will be on this soon (if they aren't already). i think they got a cease and desist order on a similar copycat in Utah, i believe.... i guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but at least imitate the good taste as well as the branding, Fresh-N-Fast... lame.
HerbyN at 2:05PM on 11/28/09
In-N-Out has sued several clones, notably one in Utah and one in Ohio. However, the suits were successful because the clones actually used InO trademarked product names like "double double" and "animal style". I would actually wager than Fresh-n-Fast is likely going to be in the clear. You can't trademark "grilled cheese", "double chesseburger", a red and yellow color scheme, or non-frozen burger patties.
wickedced at 10:24AM on 11/29/09
Yeah, they arent infringing on any copyright...'In and Out' and 'Fast and Fresh' are totally different. One must prove that customers could be confused, but you would have to be a moron.
Rolltide23 at 4:09PM on 11/29/09
I used to manage a sushi spot in West Hollywood, we had a roll called "animal style" they came after us.
Tony jaguar at 12:43AM on 11/30/09
Tony - you were naming a food product after another trademarked food product. That's pretty cut and dry. In-N-Out is in fact famously litigous to protect it's IP. I'm just not seeing actionable infringements by Fresh-N-Fast.
wickedced at 9:42AM on 11/30/09
@ratbuddy: Just for you ... http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2009/11/ruminations-on-in-n-out-burger.html
Adam Kuban at 11:12AM on 12/01/09
Great article...makes me wish I lived in NYC....well maybe not...
fatty at 2:20PM on 12/06/09