Forward to the Past: New Sliders from White Diamond in New Jersey and Mark in NYC

I love sliders. And by that I mean small griddle steamed hamburgers made of 100 percent beef served on white squishy buns or potato rolls, not a burger or sandwich that happens to be small.
The term has been devalued as of late, with "sliders" incorporating everything from seafood, pork, and even vegetables. (Just last week I ate a "slider" from the Kogi Truck in Los Angeles that consisted of morsels of short rib in a kimchi/cabbage melange served on a potato roll—no patty anywhere in sight.) I have devoted much space in this column to reporting on the declining state of sliders in New Jersey, where a handful of vintage slider emporiums continue to ply their trade, unaware of the fact that they are hopeless anachronisms.
Surely the slider, despite the adoption of the name to describe almost any small food thing in a bun, is so antiquated that no one would open a new slider restaurant in this day and age. Don't the economies of scale make selling sliders not economically viable compared to larger burgers? Well, I am happy to report that that is not the case.
Last week I brought word of a new White Diamond in Rahway, New Jersey. This week I paid them a visit, as well as tried the newly opened Mark that is serving sliders right here in New York City.
White Diamond

White Diamond
745 East Hazelwood Avenue, Rahway NJ 07065; map); 732-388-1860
Cooking Method: Steam griddled
Short Order: Classic sliders from the owners of the original White Diamond.
Want Fries with That? Sure, salty crinkle cut.
Price: Hamburger, $1.30; cheeseburger, $1.40; fries, $2.25
Notes: Open Mon. to Sat., 6 a.m - 8 pm.; Sun., 7 a.m. - 2 p.m.
White Diamond in Rahway is wholly owned by the Tammy and Kevin Collins, who are also part owners of the original White Diamond of Clark that dates back to 1947. The Collins family has been in the hamburger business for almost four decades. That's a lot of burger knowledge, and it is used to good effect at their latest venture.
The burgers served at the Rahway location are every bit as good as the ones at the original location—perhaps even be better. The ingredients are all from the same purveyors that supply the original location. The fresh, never frozen, beef is delivered daily, as is the bread. And the cooking technique is identical: small pucks of beef are placed on the griddle and then pressed until completely flat; onions are added, the burger is flipped, and cheese and the bun are laid on top.

The result is a burger that is supremely soft, puffy, airy and gooey. Texturally, the ingredients all become so soft that they are virtually indistinguishable from each other. The flavors meld together—tangy cheese, sweet onion, and hearty, salty beef, all held snuggly by a bun that is perfumed with the aromas of the other ingredients.

The technique employed at White Diamond has stood the test of time and has, over the last half-century, been perfected. The basic ingredients—fresh ground chuck, American cheese, onions, and white buns—can be substituted with pricier ingredients cooked on a fancy grill, but the result won't be any better. They might even be worse, something I discovered at Mark.
Mark

Mark
33 St. Marks Place, New York NY 10003 (b/n 2nd and 3rd Aves; map); 212-677-3132; stmarksburger.com
Cooking Method: Griddle-steamed
Short Order: Potentially great sliders let down by the cooking method.
Want Fries with That? You won't want the burgers, but the fries aren't bad.
Price: Cheeseburger, $2; Bacon Sliders, $2.75
I was delighted to hear about the opening of Mark, a new bar and burger joint that specializes in sliders on St. Marks place in the East Village. While you can probably find all types of burgers described as sliders on menus all over the neighborhood, there has not been an earnest attempt at making a true slider in the East Village since Sassy's Sliders packed up and moved uptown in the late 1990s (Sassy's moved up to 86th Street, but closed last year). For that, I applaud Mark.
As well as for using quality produce, the beef—a chuck, sirloin, and short rib mix—is ground on premises, and the thick shakes and thin fries all use fresh ingredients. Mark also uses the traditional slider cooking method described above in preparing their burgers. Like the venerable White Manna in Hackensack, New Jersey, Mark has adopted the potato as the vessel for their patty. Potato rolls are my second favorite burger bread, after the generic white buns used at White Diamond.

Unfortunately, despite the adherence to the established method of preparation and the use of mostly traditional ingredients, the sliders at Mark are a big let down, and I suspect that the blame lies with the griddle. Unlike the slider restaurants that use hokey, old battered griddles (even the new generic griddle at the two-week-old White Diamond already looks much older), Mark invested in a brand spanking new Miraclean.

This gleaming, chrome behemoth is remarkable because it is incredibly efficient—even when set to 500°F one can comfortably hold ones hand inches above the cooking surface without discomfort. This results in a cool kitchen and a cooking surface that is very even in its heat distribution. Unfortunately, it is not ideal for making sliders, which required more than just direct heat to cook correctly. A regular, less efficient griddle generates a pocket of heat several inches above its cooking surface. This dissipated heat is essential in getting the cheese, bun, and onions to cook correctly on a slider. At Mark, because of the efficiency of the cooking surface, it seems that the only heat is the direct heat from the surface, which means that in order for the cheese to melt and the bun to steam the beef itself has to cook all the way through, and beyond.

The result in my experience at Mark has been dried out beef, unevenly cooked onions, and tepid buns. Speaking of the onions, they are far too thick—slider onions must be finely diced or sliced in to thin ribbons to cook correctly. The coarsely sliced onions at Mark don't cook all the way except the thinner ends, which can get charred.

There are other problems as well. The burgers were far too salty, except the bacon slider (the bacon is actually incorporated in the patty), which was not salty or "bacony" at all. Also, I think the beef blend is completely unnecessary—a slider really only needs fresh chuck to work. Once pressed and doused in onion juice and topped with molten cheese, a slider derives its juiciness from a variety of sources beyond the beef itself.
I can't argue with the price however. At $2 per slider (with cheese), the burgers might be expensive compared to the $1.40 that White Diamond charges, but for NYC it is a real bargain. At least it would be if the burger was better.
I was disappointed by Mark, especially because I am such a fan of the slider. I wanted to like the place—the garish decor aside—but the execution leaves much to be desired. I am not sure that the problem of the griddle can be surmounted without replacing it altogether, although perhaps a metal dome can be placed over the burger to aid in the steaming process, à la Paul's Da Burger Joint. Or perhaps a change in style is in order. The Miraclean griddle is used to good effect at Bill's and the uptown Shake Shack; I just don't think it can ever properly work for sliders.
Mark does not compare favorably to the classic slider joints that inspired it. On the other hand, the new White Diamond, despite its recent opening, represents, by virtue of both its pedigree and the execution of its hamburger, one of the highest expressions of the slider.
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17 Comments:
there used to be a slider place on 3rd between 19th and 20th called the burger joint (all lower case). it closed probably 2+ years ago but they made pretty decent sliders, and they were, i believe, $1.25 each.
jmarden at 2:40PM on 10/27/09
Too bad about Mark. I just hit up White Manna this weekend and already have a craving going and was hoping Mark might be able to hit the spot. Guess I'll have to wait til my next trip to Hackensack.
ESNY1077 at 2:56PM on 10/27/09
I went to Mark the day it opened and was also disappointed by the sliders. The ones I got were too small, to tall and lacked char. From the photos, they still seem to have that problem.
Which sucks, because if the burger were better, I'd eat there every day. I mean, the beers are $4 for chrissakes.
morley at 5:20PM on 10/27/09
UMM what???? this burger is unreal and I stand by that whole heartedly. I have been to Mark about 3 times since it has opened and was delighted by the slider. The meat is juicy and succulent and the bun does not at all overpower the taste of the onions and cheese. It is a winning combination. I grew up in LA and missed my beloved In-n-Out burger until I came across Mark's fries, which are just as crispy and thin. I would recommed this place to anyone who wants a cheap, delicious burger and a glass of one of their amazing wines (The Rioha is my fave) Also, the home made sauces are to die for!
nyburg1 at 7:09PM on 10/27/09
Nick, those are some beautiful pics! Great job!
jojoprice at 7:28PM on 10/27/09
What's up Nick,
Long time no speak. I think it's tough to decree the final word on a new spot in the first two weeks of its existence. That being said, I can't totally disagree with you, the burger was a little over-salted when I tried it too. And while the bacon-filled burger wasn't very "bacony" it was definitely tasty and a little more tender than the standard slider.
But where else in this city are we getting sliders even remotely close to White Manna, espcially until 1AM every night? Conversely, we need to remember that this ISN'T White Manna. Just because they sell sliders that happen to feature American cheese and griddled onions (which were nice and thin during my lone eating experience), does that mean there's no room for divergence from the recipe?
You may wonder why I feel the need to come to the defense of Mark. It's because in my East Village neighborhood, there's nothing like the sliders at Mark; affordable, tasty and served alongside Ciao Bella Gelato shakes.
In the end, there's definitely room for Mark to improve, but we don't have much of a sample size to base our opinions on.
I do know that the fries were awesome; plentiful, thin, crisp, and piping hot. The house made sauces, particularly the combo of the slightly smokey Chipotle BBQ and the fiery Jalapeno, are great as well. Add that combo to a slider and it's a new experience. Unfortunately, they're only open until 1AM but could you imagine having the option of eating these greasy, cheesy sliders after a FULL night of boozing in the East Village? That would certainly change things.
I agree, these are by no means White Manna, but I think that's okay. There's always room for something new, different and delicious. I say reserve final judgment until we give Mark a chance to find their groove.
NYC Food Guy at 10:07PM on 10/27/09
@NYC Food Guy Always good to hear from you and I appreciate the time you took to raise some important issues.
I don't ever consider that my word is the last one irrespective of whether the place has been open for 2 weeks or 20 years. It is just the opinion of one person. You are right that 2 weeks is probably not enough time for a place to nail down everything but, for better or worse, that is the world wide web that we live in. NY Mag just reviewed Bill's Bar & Burger in their first week of business. Also since we are talking about a single dish here at AHT I think that reviewing a place sooner than one might if one was doing a full restaurant review is permissible.
I find the notion that just because Mark is the only place selling sliders in the neighborhood that that somehow makes it OK that they are not so good curious. There are plenty of other burger spots open at 1AM in the EV - Veselka, Blue 9, PDT/Grif Dogs to name just a few - that offer better burgers, although admittedly not sliders. Believe me, you won't find someone more passionate about sliders than myself, I have spent an awful lot of column space on covering them lately, but I would rather eat a decent regular burger than a poor slider. For the record I think Shopsins sliders are far superior, they may not be available at 1AM but they are far closer to White Manna. As for the onions I think that divergence of recipe is fine, but not when it interferes with the desired effect (in this case cooking the onion all the way through) it is pointless.
We both agree that the place is not White Manna and also that it is OK for it not to be so. There is much room for improvements at Mark, I hope my criticism helps. Nothing would please me more than having world class sliders in my neighborhood.
Nick Solares at 2:37PM on 10/28/09
As far as I am concerned, Mark has the only sliders worth eating in the the east village. As someone who has been waiting for/ craving a spot like this, it could not have come at a better time. I usually don't post comments on these sites, but I have to come to the defense of my new favorite little slider-spot.
nyburg1 at 4:07PM on 10/28/09
Nice job shilling @nyburg1
ESNY1077 at 5:56PM on 10/28/09
Nick,
Good to hear back from you and point well taken. I just WANT to like Mark because its the closest I'll get to sliders late night. There's room to improve and I appreciate the fact that you support that, just would have liked to have seen that kind of forgiveness in the actual review. Seems like you're holding a place that hasn't claimed to recreate perfection to some pretty high standards (i.e., White Manna).
Veselka burger has fallen off big time and its especially worse every time I've had it after 1AM (never cooked to order and inconsistent bun offerings) and Blue 9 is meh. Too bad Back Forty's not open at 1AM although that would be a bit sacreligious eating a burger than high quality after a drunken night. I've had Crif and it's also just OK. What did you like about it? What's your top late night burger in the EV as of now? Either way, I digress.
I haven't had Shopsin's sliders yet (talk about sacrelig) but the ones I see on Beef Aficionado are what you call "charred" onions, just like Mark, and nothing like the deliciously succulent ones at White Manna.
I'm going to have to agree with you that maybe a blend as fine as the one at Mark may be better utilized in the form of a full-size burger, where the flavor and texture of the porterhouse ends and short rib can truly be appreciated.
It's also tough to compare the immediacy of the attention given to Bill's Burger, a place with a year's worth of R&D behind it from a millionaire restaurateur, to Mark, a place from a couple of guys who are giving a talented Bobby Flay-trained line cook a chance to work some magic in a sliver of a spot on St. Mark's.
I'll be giving Mark a 2nd and probably third chance, if not for the sliders, than for the crispy russet fries with some of that fiery jalapeno sauce alone. The sliders weren't bad, they just weren't the best. As NYers and Web Surfers, it's what we've come to expect.
NYC Food Guy at 6:55PM on 10/28/09
Hello Nick,
I see the comments are quite lengthy for defending/justifying the Mark brand, which I mind you I have never tried. My intention is to leave Mark behind all of us and move this topic of discussion back to the motherland of slider/slider hamburger concoctions.
After driving to my favorite wine super store Joe Canals in Woodbridge, NJ and picking up a bottle of Argentinian Malbec, I figured what best to satisfy my craving for meat by visiting the newly opened White Diamond in Rahway, NJ. (Please note, I am an omnivore but I rarely consume beef product which is not grass fed and I do not eat meat on a daily basis)
Anyway, I just finished eating the slider/burger concoction and I was thoroughly impressed with the burger and the accuracy of your post. Also, I keep using the term slider/burger concoction because the owner stated to me that she would not classify this product as a slider. She proceeded to say "Well, if anything, it is a combination of a slider and a hamburger". Taking into an account the size and cooking method. With this said, the beef is fresh. Unfortunately, I did receive some cartilage or fat pieces which were not fully ground. One can look at this as good or bad. I tend to think it is good and it backs your statement that the beef is fresh ground chuck.
Keep in mind I purchased the small version (which I thought were just right). However, I am surprised you did not mention the different sizes of burgers offered. There is a large burger which you can purchase on a poppy seed roll.
All in all a good experience which brought back memories and satiated my craving for a good old NJ hamburger.
raven37457 at 8:43PM on 10/28/09
Nick and NYCFoodguy,
Just a heads up about another slider possibility in the area. I was at Dempsy's bar the other night and got some amazing good sliders there. Maybe they blew me away since I wasn't expecting much but they were a perfect size, juicy and cooked probably the best medium rare I have ever had on a slider. Just another option nearby in the East Village.
tasty trekker at 10:13AM on 10/29/09
Sorry Nick-gotta disagree with you. I think Mark is comparable to Kenny's.
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/661856
As mentioned in the link, my crew at Alwayshungryny.com also liked Mark.
-------Guttergourmet
guttergour at 8:14AM on 11/01/09
@NYC Food Guy Believe me, I want Mark to succeed as much as anyone (well maybe not as much as the owners) and I hope that my review will help improve things. However, I think it is fair to hold them to the standard set by White Manna, especially because the restaurants reps go out of their way to reference Manna: http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2009/10/burger_battle_steak_n_shake_st.html
I will also give Mark a second try.
@raven37457 You are right, I should have clarified the burgers to order,I actually meant to link to my original WD of Clark review which would have done so. Here it is:
http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2009/07/clark-white-diamond-sliders-hamburgers-new-jersey-nj.html
@tasty trekker Thanks - it is on the radar.
@guttergouret With all due respect, you told us that they rival Kenny's but you didn't tell us why. Is the beef juicier? The bun steamed better? I don't think the fancy ketchup adds much - a properly cooked slider requires nothing in the way of condiments. Regarding the picture of the slider on Always Hungry - the cheese doesn't look melted and the onions look too charred. But to each his own.
I will return to Mark and I hope that they can approach the standard set by the great slider institutions of NJ that I have spent so much time documenting as of late.
Nick Solares at 8:52AM on 11/01/09
Nick-I though that the care and ingredients rivaled Kenny's, though I would agree that the onions may need work at Mark. Also agree on the condiments but thought they were interesting. Also have to factor in the convenience factor-Mark is always accessible, Kenny's very limited with the addition of being able to use my cell phone at the Mark without having things thrown at me.
On a separate topic, are you willing to defend the laudatory comments on this site for Bill's Bar & Burger? http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/663834
---Guttergourmet
guttergour at 6:21PM on 11/02/09
It's possible this place has really gotten its act together; we had quite good sliders there the other night (don't like the bacon ones though.)
Maggie Hoffman at 2:10PM on 11/24/09
Order the sliders a little early off the grill, these are just as good as White Manna and cleaner by a long shot. The burgers have been juicy and tasty.
The fries have been great and $4 Hoegarden pints....please
hondo3777 at 4:32PM on 02/01/10